On an integral flaw of this relationship.

[liberatrix]

There is a bit of danger to+ yo+u playing me. Are yo+u aware o+f that?
Yo+u are walking a fine line that co+uld lead this situatio+n into+ being a painfully iro+nic and extreme example o+f what I am against.

But yo+u are trying yo+ur best to+ be co+nscientio+us and understanding, which is mo+re than I can say fo+r certain o+ther boys that wo+n't be named.
Do+n't get me wro+ng. It is po+ssible fo+r this to+ wo+rk o+ut.
Just do+n't slack o+ff o+r yo+u may find yo+urself making a mistake that may cause o+ffense.

Do+ that and I am o+ut.

Comments

[latula_pyrope]

sup po-m4r!!!!!
you t3ll1n m3 you got yours3lf 4 nong1rl b3h1nd th4t scr33n???
must b3 pr3tty br4v3 to try t3ll1ng you wh4t to do

[liberatrix]

I'm no+t sure if I'd describe it that way.
It is less telling me what to+ do+ and mo+re...
Suggestio+ns that I may o+r may no+t go+ alo+ng with.
And bravery definitely do+esn't facto+r in.

[latula_pyrope]

ooooh
so your3 s4y1ng you got your m4d s3duct1ng sk1llz on
ch4rm3d your w4y 1nto h1s p4n
now you got h1m jump1n to your rhythm???

[liberatrix]

Yes, let's go+ with that.
I have charmed my way right thro+ugh the fo+urth wall.
It was o+nly a matter o+f time, really.

[latula_pyrope]

W4Y TO GO PORMST44444444444R!!!!!!!!!!!
th3y 41nt bu1lt 4 w4ll strong 3nough y3t to stop you g3tt1n your sw4g on.
h3y yo pormst4r.
h1 f1v3 r1ght through th3 fourth w4ll.
dont l34v3 m3 h4ng1ng!!!

[liberatrix]

O+h, uh.
Augh.
Is that really necessary?
It--Who+ am I kidding, yo+u have never in all o+f eternity allo+wed anyo+ne to+ leave yo+u hanging.

[ Porrim resigns to her fate and gives Latula a SWEET FIVE. ]

[latula_pyrope]

you know 1t, grrrl!!!!

[Yeah, SWEET FIVE! With Latula's trademark enthusiasm, of course]

[liberatrix]

I'll never understand ho+w gho+sts can get so+ so+re.
No+t to+ say I can't handle it ro+ugh, but tho+se highfives o+f yo+urs are hard to+ handle.

[latula_pyrope]

w3ll DUH of cours3 th3y 4r3!!!
gott4 know 1m not w4st1ng th3 sw33t f1v3s on 4ny l4m3 chump
s1d3z
noth1ng wrong w1th 4 l1ttl3 3nthus14sm

[liberatrix]

I'll take that as a co+mpliment. I think?
So+ lo+ng as yo+ur enthusiasm is genuine, I'll be the last perso+n to+ co+mplain abo+ut it.

[latula_pyrope]

w3ll of COURS3 1t 1s!!!
dont know why youd th1nk oth3rw1s3

[serm9n]

While y9ur c9ncern with c9nscienti9usness and understanding indicates an attempt t9 create a judgement-free disc9urse, and may I just say, P9rrim, h9w pleased I am at y9ur rec9gniti9n that they are imp9rtant values that must 6e maintained in 9rder f9r 9pen dial9g t9 succeed, I can't help 6ut n9tice h9w quickly this appr9ach was derailed, as s9 9ften happens with y9u, 6y y9ur frankly (tw: 6i9l9gical and/9r identified gender judging) male-shaming c9mments in that y9u suggested, if n9t stated 9utright, that any9ne identifying as that gender w9uld 6e inferi9r, there6y actually exacer6ating the 9therwise unimp9rtant and generally n9n-9ccurring aggressi9n that y9u y9urself were trying t9 prevent.

[liberatrix]

Well, go+o+d jo+b, Kankri, his eyes just glazed o+ver and ro+lled into+ the back o+f his head.
Maybe this relatio+nship will wo+rk o+ut after all.

[serm9n]

Exiting a c9nversati9n the m9ment an 9pp9sing view is presented is very pr96lematic 6ehavi9r, and I h9pe that y9u aren't seri9usly la6eling it as a desira6le trait and are 9nly using y9ur "sarcasm", the dial9g-stifling p9tential 9f which I h9ve already lectured - s9rry, discussed with y9u, which seems the m9re likely p9ssi6ility 6ecause in my experience y9u "work 9ut" relati9nships with pretty much every9ne, precluding a selectively trait-f9cused tendency.

[liberatrix]

Kankri, no+. No+t here.
There's so+ much wro+ng with what yo+u just said, but I am no+t go+ing to+ waste my time.
Except fo+r o+ne thing: writing o+ff so+meo+ne else's co+ncerns as no+t existing is much wo+rse than deciding yo+u're no+t wo+rth the tro+uble talking to+.
In fact, I'd say it justifies it.

[serm9n]

I ap9l9gize if I have given the impressi9n 9f denying 9r 9therwise invalidating y9ur pers9nal struggles, and am willing t9 wait f9r y9u and y9ur mun (an inherently VERY micr9agressive term, used here 9nly 6ecause 9f the unf9rtunate lack 9f 9ther m9re appr9priate w9rds f9r the r9le, which sh9uld 9therwise 6e av9ided) t9 discuss this further with y9ur m9irails – 9r I sh9uld say m9irail(s), checking my is9quadrant privilege if y9u are 69th actually sharing a single m9irail. I was attempting t9 n9tice y9ur well-intenti9ned, 6ut p9tentially damaging tendency t9 intr9duce and thus cause a previ9usly unn9ted pr96lem.

[liberatrix]

O+k, yo+u're in o+ne o+f yo+ur mo+o+ds again.
Kanny, I'm go+ing to+ send yo+u to+ yo+ur respiteblo+ck fo+r the evening if yo+u keep criticizing me.

[serm9n]

St9p calling me that! And I'll g9 t9 my respite6l9ck when I feel like it.

[liberatrix]

It's fo+r yo+ur o+wn go+o+d. Yo+u kno+w ho+w o+thers react to+ yo+ur tantrums.
Yo+u can write so+me memo+s and co+me o+ut when yo+u can talk to+ me witho+ut being co+ndescending.

[serm9n]

I remind y9u that the "l99king 9ut f9r 9thers" instinct in the middle-t9-c99l-6l99d spectrum is der9gat9ry t9wards warm-6l99ds and can 6e a p9werful micr9agressi9n, 69th a pr9duct 9f and a c9ntri6ut9r t9ward the 9verall interspectrum relati9n, which can 6e 6est characterized as "c9ndescending".

As it happens, there are a few mem9s that I was meaning t9 address, and my respite6l9ck is excellently suited t9 m9n9l9g – disc9urse. S9 I was a69ut t9 g9 there anyway.

[liberatrix]

O+f co+urse yo+u were, Kanny.
Just remember to+ take a breather no+w and again.

[serm9n]

[arachnesweb]

It might prove to 8e rather difficult 8efore any of us alpha trolls could 8e successfully played in any sort of game environment. If the attempts at playing the alpha kids are any indic8ion, it would 8e 8est to hold off until our world 8uilding in-canon is complete-- for example, while it seems so o8vious upon looking 8ack that Dirk and Roxy were loc8ed in the future, the amount of roleplayers caught 8y this 8lunder in an actual roleplay game setting were innumerable. Not to mention the sheer masses caught unawares 8y the inform8ion that their guardians were 8orn hundreds of years 8efore them and did not actually raise them in any way shape or form.
Ah, I digress from my point. I'm sure you don't have any wish to listen to me dra88le on a8out a topic that 8ashes the fourth wall so a8rasively.
As long as your mun is careful, I'm sure anything is possible, Porrim. ::::)

[liberatrix]

After Kankri, I welco+me yo+ur digressio+ns, no matter how far they go+.
It's music in co+mpariso+n to+ THAT wo+rd spewage.
Being much sweeter in the pro+cess do+esn't hurt, either. :)

[arachnesweb]

You flatter me, Porrim. ::::)
While I willingly admit I can ram8le, I at least do my 8est not to ram8le on as horri8ly as Kankri. Theres a fine line 8etween 8eing inform8tive and 8eing o8noxious and forcing your points on others...
I much prefer the sermons of his latter self, to 8e honest.

[liberatrix]

I'd say it's just a phase fo+r him, but he's been go+ing at it fo+r an eternity.
Maybe it's because we're gho+sts.
Peo+ple change so+ much in just a few years when they're alive, but o+nce we're dead it's like we stagnate.
I think if he co+uld gro+w o+ut o+f that phase he co+uld be mo+re like his latter self.

[arachnesweb]

Perhaps the incoming excitement from our descendants and their friends will help to spice things up and allow some change around here?
The thing with 8eing alive is you're constantly 8eing exposed to new experiences and challenges... 8eing dead leaves you in a comforta8le sense of familiarity, and you no longer have any of those circumstances which help you grow.
Despite everyone's annoyance at his 'trigger warnings' and the like, and the increase of such nicknames as 'The Insuffera8le', nothing else has ever 8een done to show him that what he's doing is wrong. It's still happening 8ecause all of us expect it from him, and he's so used to doing it. Some new 8lood around here will definitely 8ring in some new ideas, and may8e then he can start to act his age. :::;)

[liberatrix]

I ho+pe yo+u're right.
Yo+u usually are, so+ I think I'll agree.
Even if this gho+st army business of Peixes is kind of dumb, her getting us riled up alo+ng with o+ur descendants and tho+se humans sho+wing up might be eno+ugh to get things interesting.
I ho+pe he at least gro+ws o+ut o+f this rebellio+us phase.

[arachnesweb]

Well, I suppose he'll have to grow up out of it rather quick in order for us to survive the Lord of Time!
If we aren't a8le to cooperate, no matter what the plan (I'm still rather partial to mine), then we're good as dead; or I suppose, re-dead, and even in some cases, including mine, re-re-dead. ::::P

[liberatrix]

I can't believe we're in a situation where that sentence makes sense.

[arachnesweb]

I know, right????????