dear_mun | What in the actual.....

For godsake, Man! What are you fussing about? I only made the suggestion based on what the girl herself said to her godfather as a child! It seems a rather convenient way to get you both out of the untenable situation in which you find yourselves.

If anything you should be thanking me.

Thank you?! You are out of your damned mind, your Maj, if you think I should be grateful! I have no words that can be expressed in a public forum without my having to resort to swearing and throwing things at you.

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*snorts* Obviously you have no clue as to what being a ruler is about! The girl is set to inherit the throne, and here you are....a musician...with no royal blood of your own to speak of. You could be her chosen paramour for years! Wouldn't that be enough?

I have no f-ing clue if it is! FFS! I just met the girl a month ago! We haven't actually gone on an actual date! Do I like her?! Yes. Yes, I do, very much. But all this shit is obviously premature!

*shrugs* I've always found swearing to be great as expressing things in public. Let rip, Jimmy! Don't let the fact she's a queen put you off, she's no better than you. Fucking waste of money the lot of them

*shrugs* Well, that's not my fault. Who is it that failed to even ask her out? Not me. That would be.....YOU.

*looks at Constantine* Thanks, man. Believe me, there are more than a few choice names I have for this vapid cow!

*turns to Elizabeth* You know all this is pretty damned rich coming from a woman who never married herself - who understood that hanging on to her power meant not ceding it to any man. Who Joie is has no fucking bearing on how I feel about her. For fucking petesake! I didn't even know who she was until John here brought up in a meta conversation, but you, being the manipulative bitch that you are, decided to shitstir. Congratulations. You're as much an azzhole as the other one in the equation.

*raising her voice above the din of the ensuing argument* Elizabeth, shut up!

* touching Jimmy's face before sliding her fingers into his calloused ones* She's just jealous of everyone these days. Don't worry. They can't do this to us. The Court will never stand for it, my father won't hear of it - and neither will I.

*smiling up at him.* Maybe I should be the one to ask you out. *grins*

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Hells. Not one hell, seven.

If there are actually seven of them...No. Doubt!

Seven Heavens and Seven Hells. According to the Faith of the Seven-faced God at least.

Hey, I never know with this bunch! One says that there are seven total realms of existence, another one says that it's more like four times that.

As old Lizzy here pointed out, I am a musician! What do I know?

Seven-faced God? Interesting. I can't say we have ever heard of that where I come from.

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There are many faiths and regions. Each has their own interpretation of the world. Westeros is just one place of many and even within my world there are differences, barbarians and such. As for there being more than the continents that I know of? My mind spins at the idea.

Alas I doubt anybody knows for certain which is right. Though they'd put an awful lot of time and energy in convincing people of their way. Suppose the one that shouts the most is the right one, no? Or perhaps it's the other way around? The Old Gods doesn't make much noise and from what I've heard they're older than my god. Supposedly. It's not for naught that the people of the North is known as the First Men.

It matters little for the common man in any regard.

Old Lizzy? Not certain I know whom she is. But a bard is appreciated at any royal court.

The Faith of Seven is the majority religion in Westeros, along the faith of the Old Gods of the Forests. While they co-exist it's not always a peaceful existence.

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Oh, wait! I know who you are now! You're one of the guys from by that George R.R.R.R.R.- guy! Hey, I named my guitar after um....one of the folks that I believe come from where you're from. *he decides it's probably best not to bring up the name Daenerys Targaryen*.

Old Lizzy....Elizabeth Tudor, Queen Elizabeth I, Queen of England, second daughter of King Henry VIII, who looked a whole lot like one of the kings from where you are from....same moral compass, too, apparently!

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George who? I do not know that name. I'm Renly of the House Baratheon, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. [Until his demise but he decides against mentioning that.]

Ah a queen. You should know better than calling her old young man. Respect is a virtue and proper protocols needs to be adhered too or you might just lose your head. Alas I'm curious as which Lord of mine shares the same moral compass... many seems to lack one.

*Inclining his head slightly in deference to the King* Forgive me, your Majesty. I sometimes forget myself.

With respect, Sir, there are currently two queens and one former one that I am sharing space with. Between the Queen of England that I mentioned, the Queen of the Unseelie Fae and a former Egyptian Queen who gave it all up for love - it's hard to know where to put my alliances. I won't even mention the others in here on occasion competing for air time.

I just want to play music, do my thing and have a good time....within reason, of course.

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[It's a good thing that Renly is a merciful king. He nods back in mutual respect.]

I did not question your allegiance, I question your language and lack of proper protocol. Regardless about your feelings on the matter, nobility shall be met with respect. Even if you're challenging them to a duel.

Then do so. I'm not stopping you. [He laughs in amusement.]

Protocol would have had Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth *it's all he can do not to fling a guitar pick in her general direction* Not interfering in my (potential) love life. Whatever happened to the idea of noblesse oblige'? Hmm?

*smirks* Not sure that my kind of musicianship is what you'd enjoy. But here goes...

*begins playing the intro to a song

Yes, it would. As should I be referred to by you as His Royal Majesty, King Renly of Westeros. "Your majesty" is enough though. I'm not certain what you refer to though, that word is foreign sounding to me.

[He stares in confusion at what he hears... it's like nothing he had heard before and it pains his delicate ears.]

Seven Hells, that's what you call music? It sounds like you're strangling a cat.

It's in a language called French. The French pretty much invented protocol and etiquette in our realm. The term, nobless oblige essentially means that people who have been born into the noble class don't just get to enjoy the privilege of their station, but are obligated to take care of the people that are "beneath" their own station. It's all about being a good, kind, and noble ruler. What Her Majesty did was not noble. She, in fact, upset the heiress to another throne in another kingdom. ~~And what's more, she did it before I could ask the poor girl out on a date!~~

Gee....thanks! *suppresses falling over laughing Sorry, I don't have the 50 piece orchestra with me at the moment. I really can do something quite lovely, but versatility in the market demands that I play what it is that the crowd is after. And unfortunately, the more raucous crowds that I play for like it loud and either sounding like a war or as if a cat's being strangled. *grins*

I know she is, Joie. *places the gentlest of kisses her forehead*

You could do that, but we both agreed, we are going to take it slow. I mean you are young, and I am not going to be the one to steal your youth. *he tactfully avoids going into further detail*

But so help me....I'll do whatever it takes.

In my realm it was my people the Andals that invented protocol and etiquette. Our nobility and houses can not be found anywhere else but Westeros. We brought it here from our homeland millennia ago. The Northfolks didn't have anything like it but being divided in tribes across the North. Civilization began with us. It does sound like I'd get along with these Frenchs you speak of. It sounds like we have very similar views. I myself gained much of my support that showing I was a better ruler than my brother.

I can not speak for this Queen Elizabeth of yours I'm afraid. While I wouldn't condone it, I'm aware that my own kin aren't always kind and noble. My so-called nephew for one tortured the peasants in the Crownlands for his own amusement. Being a noble isn't for everyone and at times incompetents rulers exist.

Nor does a bard. But they still manage to sound decent.

The Northfolks? Around here we refer to them as Canadians. There are lots of tribes where I'm from. My family comes from two of them - some in the plains states while the other half comes from the northern country. My parents and little sister were killed when I was really young when we were living in the plains states, so I have kind of shuttled between those two worlds. I can't say that it was all a bad thing, of course.

Queen Elizabeth will be the first to tell you that her father, the one whom I compare to the man who must be your brother, I take it, had a total of six wives. In his case, he kept declaring both of his natural-born daughters as being bastards so many times that it caused bloody wars all over the lands of Europe. She could tell you the sordid tale far better than I could. What I do know, however, is that she decided never to marry anyone based on the fact her father beheaded her mother. *shrug* Can't say that I blame her for that.

Is that a challenge, Sir? * he puts aside the electric guitar and picks up a 10-string acoustic guitar and begins to pick out the opening notes of a different tune.

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Tribes? Here I thought you were from a civilized country.

I'd have two brothers so it doesn't exactly nail it down. Robert was the oldest. He only married once however. Not that it stopped him from laying around with several women and father several bastards. He cared little about the kingdom and spent most of his time eating and drinking. Stannis, my other older brother is a harsh man. I can not recall that he married more than once however. Bit he did have a steady lover, the so called Red Woman, a Priestess of the Lord of Light. I've been told that Stannis sacrificed his children to the Lord of Light. He didn't behead his wife as far as I know though. But my life was cut rather short.

Do sound like quite the story though.

It's "my lord". [He comments with an amused snort. He then listens through as Jimmy plays. The instrument is quite curious. While he has seen guitars before never with that many strings. As Jimmy finishes he gives him hearty applause.] Impressive, master bard.

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*tries not to be insulted.* We are a civilized country. We had astronomical observatories and lived in harmony with the lands. Some people call them tribes; truth be told, I call them Nations, and there were more than 700 of them in the Northern Hemisphere. We all had our own languages, trade routes, customs, and cultures. Almost all of them were matrilineal. In other words, what the Mothers and the Grandmothers of the Nation said was law - and to betray the people, that was a sure way to be exiled until you made up for it.

*gives a soft chuckle* You're not my 'lord'. The world I come from the terms, Sir, Madam, and such are just as respectful as the one you prefer, Majesté *he decides to use French as a compromise*

Thank you. However, 10 strings are just the beginning. I also play 12 string guitar. The woman I work for, who is herself royal, but abdicated her place in line for the throne for love, plays the harp; and that has more strings than even I can manage!

Hm? Then I apologize for my ignorance. [He's still going to consider the man like a Roman considered a Celt, a barbarian. Like the Dorokhai.]

We usually do not use such terms when referring to nobility. If someone is a Lord, "your grace" or "m'lord" is preferable. If you must be that informal, "ser" can be used aswell.

Twelve strings upon a guitar? How curious. But is it still considered a guitar then? I watched my wife play the harp once in Highgarden. It was a beautiful sight to behold. My Lord Commander plays the violin himself.

Ah, well. I get a little sensitive about that one - especially since the major world power in our realm modeled their Constitution off of the Confederation of the Six Iroquois nations, which my mother's people are a part of.

Ser...Sir, sounds pretty close to my untrained ear. *He won't mention that he already speaks at least four languages proficiently* But I think we can manage it.

It is considered a guitar. There is also something called a harp guitar, which has been played for hundreds of years, though not by too many.

Ah, I see. That explains your reaction. [He falls quiet in consideration.] There are many cultures and countries in Essos. Westeros is quite unique in how nobility rule over the smallfolk. But beyond Westeros, there are many others. Some of these have settled here, bringing their own ideals while the First Men was here from the start. Westeros and the Seven Kingdoms are certainly one of the most influential one counteries alas. But there are more than just one continent.

Harp guitar? I believe that instrument is played by the people of the North. It's not common in the southern parts.

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*quizzical look* Not known in the South? You mean your musicians and bards don't travel throughout your Seven Kingdoms and share their cultures with each other? That's kind of sad.

Where I come from we have PowWows or Gatgherings of Nations where the People of all of the different Nations get together, dancing in their best finery, feasting, bringing horses to race and to trade and having a good time. We even get tourists from time to time, too.

I also love to go to different places to listen and learn about the music of other places and such. I think of myself as a bit of a musical embassador.

I said it was uncommon not that it was unknown. Westeros is a large continent. It takes months to traverse across it. While a simple bard may be quicker than an army it would take a significant time to go from the Wall in the north to the south of Dorne. Still we do share culture across, if only by marrying into different houses to secure support and men. The Faith of Seven for one has reached all of Westeros, even if the Iron Islands and the north stubbornly hold on to their old gods. There are also tournaments, trade and carnivals that passes by at times.

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Ah, my bad. *he decides not to ask King Renley about airplanes. That would simply be bad form.*

The stubborn hanging on of culture and belief sounds a lot like my own world. There are a couple of religions in the dominant cultures that attempt to convert people, or if they won't be converted, kill them. Still, your world doesn't sound too off from the one I come from.

While there has been conflict between the Faith of Seven and the old gods, people are no longer killed or forced to convert as a part of it. We coexist even if we do find the others strange. Of course there are clashes at times but the Faith had found itself in a situation where compromise has had to be reached.

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Your world can call yourselves fortunate in that case. We had our own faith, in many gods, one god....it was all personal to each culture or each individual. But some people in power used faith and fear as a means to control the masses.

(OOC) Going to start a new bit since we are migrating off the page. ;)

*Faelyn has been listening to the ensuing arguments and discussion and has not felt the need to intervene before this moment.*

What is this?

Starting a new thread

It appears to be quite common.

Madame, we have already begun to discuss this, you and I.

Yes. We have. And you know the reasons why the matter was brought up in the first place. Say what you will about Elizabeth. She is, as other monarchs present have stated, still a queen, and still entitled to respect. You do not have to agree with her as I often do not - but you do have to take into account what our People are up against.

Forgive my headmate, your Majesty. He sometimes forgets himself.

Your headmate? Do not worry m'lady, the issue has been resolved.

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