missedtheflag: (grinning)
Red ([personal profile] missedtheflag) wrote in [community profile] dear_mun2015-02-21 01:57 am
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I don't even know how this happened

After all those minutes you spent thinking I deserved a beautiful, poetic user name, this was the best you could come up with? A terrible joke about my biggest mistake? Perhaps I expected too much from you.

But that isn't the point of this address. Is there a need to disturb the dead from their peace? My time passed long ago. Let an old man like me rest; it's time for the next generation to take the stage.

I suppose my revival is just an indication of the extent of your infatuation with the kid. You know that a chance for him and I to talk face to face here is slim, and yet, you've charged ahead with this.

Well, if I'm getting a second lease on life, I may as well see where it leads me.
actiontrigger: (that's not funny)

o shit son

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
This ain't funny. This ain't funny!

You... I mean, we saw you go down with the base, we...

So did you actually teleport out at the last second or is this some kinda sick joke because because [kind of hyperventilating here]

I knew you weren't dead, I knew that was bullshit! I knew that was too stupid a move for you to just... leave it like that!

Dammit, Red, how am I supposed to feel now?! I just got accepted into the Hunters, I'm workin' with Zero...

actiontrigger: (mmph)

Re: dang hello there

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
[Right, right, right pull it together Axl, get your back straight, breathe through it and calm the fuck down. Right. Nothing special about your dead mentor comin' back out of thin fucking air. Breathe.]

So... basically we're just passin' by each other here? And you're plannin' to stay off the field?
actiontrigger: (pensive)

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
[Now he's really not sure how to feel about anything. Part of him wants to basically just run over and give the old man a huge hug because holy shit alive alive alive not dead alive but... not professional. Not how he was trained. Not how RA did things.

Shit, he's already changed a lot working with Zero and those Hunters, hasn't he? Getting used to being around emotional people... Shakes his head. Useless.]


I don't exactly think it'd be a hot idea for you to sit around doin' nothing. There's still lots of bad guys out there.

[And I still need your advice, he wants to say, but doesn't.]
actiontrigger: (rar!!)

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
You're not a Maverick! Don't say that!

[Dammit, stay on top of this, stay on top of this! What if this is another shapeshifter? You'd have a fucking bullet in your head already carrying on like this! But his voice is still stressed and coarse, rough with the things he's trying his best to stifle like a good soldier.]

It was Sigma's fault. And he got what he deserved for jerkin' us all around like that, too. It just hurts, Red. It hurts a lot. It hurt that you let yourself die and ... kinda gave up?

I mean, yeah, some of those guys, we could do without them, right? You can't seriously tell me we couldn't do better than Splash Warfly this time around.
actiontrigger: (mmph)

OOC: back in the morning I'm passing out :(

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
[He doesn't want to look at that, not really - he doesn't want to see the tarnish on the icon. But he can't help it - he can't help but recognize the truth in what Red says. And it makes him miserable to have to accept that. That maybe RA was toxic from the beginning? So he gets quiet, subdued.]

I...I guess the whole thing was kind of dumb, wasn't it? When I think about it, none of it made any sense from beginning to end. That's Sigma's fault! He ruined everything!

But, Red, if I hadn't run away, then everyone would still be alive, wouldn't they? I kinda miss Stonekong and even that geezer Anteator... but Red, why wouldn't you? You're alive, you can start over with people that don't suck! You won't do that dumb stuff again, mess with DNA data... right?

actiontrigger: (pensive)

Man X7 was a weird game.

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
[He wants to say Well, I did! I shot that asshole right in the face! When X and Zero couldn't even move! And I did it for all of us, Red. But he just shakes his head instead, internalizing Red's words a little, maybe clinging to them. 'No one but the best has survived...'

He eyes the old man. Awfully reticent, aren't you? No, there's somethin' else to this, isn't there?]


Well, I'm in with the Hunters now, and they've got problems. There's some org issues I really didn't expect. We have to bend over a lot and spread 'em for government dumbasses who don't know what they're talkin' about. X and Zero are... well, right now it's still mostly Zero, and now me.

I guess if you don't want to fight any more, especially after all this, then it's okay...
actiontrigger: (mmph)

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The important thing is to stay low if you're gonna stay on. Bein' dead keeps you off the radar, but if Hunter Base gets word that you're back...

[He lets that ominous statement trail - no need to go further, right? I really can't handle Hunting you a second time, Red. Of course, he won't be spilling any beans about Red's return! He also won't suggest Red join the Hunters - he remembers one too many rants about Repliforce and the government over late night Life Bottles.]

But... it's okay that I want to stay with them, right? I know you're sayin' I should but... is that really how you feel or are you just doin' some kinda stupid fall on your sword thing?

[Being near Zero and X is too important to him, but his core is filled with a sad longing to also be close to the old man, to familiar things. Even if it isn't really the best idea.]
Edited 2015-02-21 20:58 (UTC)
actiontrigger: (hidden)

no plurk but do have skype - drop me a PM for it? :D

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
[Axl almost breaks at that head-patting. That was a piece of praise he always worked so desperately hard to earn in the past, and it's obvious from the kid's face how badly he missed having it. His eyes get very very bright, almost wet, and his mouth opens, but he doesn't dare say anything to shift the moment.]

I won't let you down.

[He kind of smiles and kind of looks like he wants to cry at the same time. Won't cry won't cry won't cry won't cry]
neoseraphic: (There is no risk.)

It happened because Red's great.

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-21 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
You will learn that humans always fall beneath your expectations.

The Hunters also are set on ruining the opportunities of subsequent generations; any efforts at moving past the status quo must surely be stopped, I regret to inform you.

[A faint scoff because that won't work forever, but... peers at.]

So. You're the prototype's mentor.

[Gonna just perch here in midair, cross his legs, peer down at, nbd.]
actiontrigger: (dunno about this)

Have an Axl who hasn't already shot you, Lumine ;D

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-21 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
[So who the hell is this guy? Looks fancy... kind of getting the bad vibe off him, but he might just be a priss.]

Aren't you kinda overstatin' that? The Hunters are just cops, you know, not like the political heads of state or anything...
neoseraphic: (Our way of life is broken.)

But can he mindscrew Axl?

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-22 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
[Oh, definitely a priss. Sort of. Mostly. ...Probably. Though hang on, that... Inquisitive Lumine is inquisitive, head canting and everything.]

Overstating?

[. . .How do you n-- Hmm.]

They took out eight of my generation--a generation whose design grants a programming quirk that prevents all possibility of infection by the Maverick Virus. They simply thought differently about how the world's being run.

[Lumine dons his best impression of being mutely upset.]

They Hunters aren't police; they're hounds.
actiontrigger: (dunno about this)

that depends on how he plays this. ;)

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-22 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Oh come on. Drama queen much? Look, I may be still kinda new to the Hunters but so far we haven't gone after a single Mav that didn't totally deserve it.

If they went around acting like bad guys they probably got treated like bad guys. It's that simple!
neoseraphic: (There is no risk.)

bwehehehe

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-22 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Drama qu--?

[Okay, he can't really mask the baffled indignation there completely.

Moving on.]


And wanting more than to be used warranted their execution?

[Thoughtful, and then:]

Theirs weren't the only lives taken without any evidence of infection. They weren't the only ones taken down for protesting the way they and the rest of us are treated.

Or, [headtilt] do you not care that we're treated as a labourforce rather than individuals. Have you seen the civilian sector at all?
actiontrigger: (dunno about this)

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-22 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Look, nobody thinks it's cool when Reploids get used like slaves, huh? But explain to me how it's any better when, like, Reploids sell each other out for stupid viruses, or scrap metal, or drugs, or fucking porn usage? There's a lot of seriously scummy shit out there, and a lot of it's Maverick on Reploid crime, so don't start with me on this whole 'boo hoo, the system is broken' crap.

Spend an hour in sector 4 watching the pimps pushing their broken down slave 'loids around to other Reploids and tell me that isn't a bigger problem.

You got a problem with the system? Go write a damn letter to Congress or whatever. In the meantime, me and the Hunters are gonna clean up the real victims on the streets!
neoseraphic: (Our way of life is broken.)

rapunzel here's gonna take that and run--

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-22 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
You aren't saying anything I'm not, though--that this needs to change. All of it. The first change needs to be that ingrained sense of reploids being things to be used and thrown away--doesn't that translate into so much of the nature of these crimes? Starting from the bottom goes nowhere. It doesn't permeate. A solid foundation needs to be laid, and the widest-reaching one would be the government, yes. Change is inevitable, but to change this there can't only be address at the bottom.

[A beat and then, with a small, saccharine smile:]

Do you think there aren't those who reach out? They're shut down. Rejected. Denied. Because they're only as cogs in a machine.

My point isn't that Mavericks don't need to be dealt with. Of course they do. They can't be helped, so they must be stopped. But some claims of "Maverick" behaviour are just people crying "wolf". It's behaviour outside a set of acceptable boundaries that the government--and thus the Hunters--seems to deem punishable by execution.

The system no longer works for the world we live in. It was outdated the moment AIs became sentient--became sapient. We are not unthinking, we are not non-living. So yes, deal with the visible problems. Do, please. They are the product of perpetuated abuse and objectification of reploidkind, started historically by human behaviour. But the Hunters are insufficient. There is no attempt at prevention, only reaction. Knowing colleagues died at their hands for simply staying in their former place of employment? For recognising that not every body incinerated was Maverick? For questioning the identity of the Maverick Hunters? I can't confess to being particularly impressed by their decision-making capabilities, either.

A dog on a leash is just as guilty as its owner.
actiontrigger: (dunno about this)

are you still talking?!

[personal profile] actiontrigger 2015-02-22 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
Man, I dunno, this is givin' me a serious headache. All I know is... It's not the dogs on the leashes you gotta worry about. It's the dogs who get off the leash that bite people. And then you blame the dog for biting AND the owner that let it go.

That seems fair to me!

neoseraphic: (There is no risk.)

"Listen to *me*!" /Eng. Palette

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-22 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
That assumes every dog who escapes his leash is going to bite in the first place, and that leashed dogs won't.
neoseraphic: Of course I am. (Am I alright?)

hi thar

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-22 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Does it?

[The stories are only what the media outlets cover, Red; you should know better.]

What else could be done? The Hunters, the older generations, and the humans are so entrenched in their way of thinking that they left us no choice. In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to realise the problem. I wouldn't have to organise to struggle against it. It would have long been rectified.

[He smiles gently, but it's little more than mockery.]

Oh, I know. But he's given me no reason to address him by it.
mavhunterx: (helmetless)

o hai you

[personal profile] mavhunterx 2015-02-22 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Don't you think that's an overly broad statement to be making? Putting aside the Maverick situation for the moment. That way of thinking is too simplistic. There is always another choice beyond violent rebellion, even to make changes to the system.
neoseraphic: (To protect ourselves)

wow ganging up on the babby, rood

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-22 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
[And just... gonna... giggle. Quietly.]

A better solution? Then why hasn't anyone found it yet? Tell me: why do our objections fall on deaf ears? The problem lies in the deep-seated perceptions of those in control, doesn't it? Of those directly manipulated by that controlling force. Of reploids of previous lines being taught that they are tools.

Is there really a way to accomplish change when no one listens, or refuses to do so? Are the rest of us condemned by that?
mavhunterx: (helmetless)

get back in your crib, infant!

[personal profile] mavhunterx 2015-02-22 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
Because the political and personal solutions have never been tried, Lumine. It always jumps straight from "I was made a week ago and I don't like my task" to "I'm going Maverick" to "I'm building an army" to "I'm now going to indiscriminately destroy everything in my path."

Because of our endless battling each other, there's been no time to build coalitions, create political power for ourselves, gain allies who could help us... no, we're too busy trying to slaughter each other! Of course humans distrust us now - we've proven we're incapable of leading ourselves anywhere except into mass graves.

We have more than just physical repair work to do in this world, but every time another self-styled Maverick 'leader' gets up and starts spouting propoganda, everyone suffers. Reploids suffer the most from what Mavericks do to other Reploids!
neoseraphic: (Immunity)

someone give lumine his pacifier pls

[personal profile] neoseraphic 2015-02-22 09:54 am (UTC)(link)
[The laughter starts small--it usually does. But it just ramps up after a few seconds until... Well, it might not be laughter. He's frustrated and he's impossibly young compared to most, and this seems like it could be solved so easily and then maybe he wouldn't have had to try the route he had, but...]

You're both trapped.

[Painfully calm. Perfectly level.]

X, I'm sure you heard what Rooster said--that not every body in that incinerator was Maverick.

[He doesn't look at Red, even if he hears him. They're both infuriating, though.]

You don't learn. None of you ever have--can you really claim to be trying to help when after a point, even you stop listening? This is why eradication seemed the most effective course. I wonder...

[His head drops smoothly towards a shoulder, every degree precisely measured.]

What would have happened if I'd managed to wipe you three? What would have changed, if anything, about that world?

[shrug]

Probably nothing. It would have descended further into the chaos it's already stewing in until it was devoured.
mavhunterx: (helmetless)

come here to mama, mama hug it better

[personal profile] mavhunterx 2015-02-22 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
[Stands calm in the face of that laughter - which to him seems more like a frustrated mad venting. Just stands calm.]

Lumine, please understand, yes, that was true in the past. We've made mistakes, every single one of us here. You, me, Red [a quick glance his way and a nod - he accepts the apology, they can talk more about this later if desired]... everyone alive. We've all made mistakes and we've all done each other wrong. If we continue on the same way we have been, we'll continue to make mistakes. Being alive - we'll sometimes make mistakes.

I may not have listened before, but I am listening now. And if you intend to carry on punishing me for my mistakes, then I can't stop you from that course - but the one who isn't listening right now is you. You have both a former Maverick and a Maverick Hunter right now begging you to reconsider your course of action. Are you missing what that moment actually means?

Reploids are tired of war. All of us are tired of this, Lumine. We fumble toward understanding, and if it comes late it's better than never arriving at all. Launching a new crusade won't save us. Working with us might.

Killing us - Axl, Zero and I - would have only made your cause that much harder to sell.
Edited 2015-02-22 10:32 (UTC)