Thinking about sending her to a game....

[cykedfists]

 What do you mean you feel like you're annoying people? I don't think you are.

You are miss mun and you're fine!!

I think Apollo and Clay are onto something here. It does make me feel better, so I'm sure it'll make you feel better too!

Don't sweat the details! I'm sure you'll be okay! You just have to have faith in yourself. I think you're doing a great job. Even though you can be impulsive and mean sometimes, I wouldn't pick any other person to be my mun than you.

if you do send me somewhere though, could you at least send me to a place where I know some people. You know... like... Boss, Apollo, Junie, Simon.... somebody.

Stay cool, munie~ You'll make the right choice. Don't sweat it!

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[truthsnomiracle]

Taking the presence of castmates into account does constitute a detail, does it not?

[cykedfists]

Yes well... I guess I could go somewhere without them, but it wouldn't be the same.

[truthsnomiracle]

That does seem to be an extraordinarily common sentiment. Fortunately for you, your requirements are far easier to fulfill than my own.

[cykedfists]

What are your own requirements?

[truthsnomiracle]

The same as always -- I wish to pursue the truth. Unfortunately, that isn't particularly compatible with the vast majority of games. Truth tends to be an unassailable or even [shudder] mutable thing in most such places.

[cykedfists]

[Ah... right... The truth is important....]

Well, the truth would be difficult to find in a game. Or at least from what my munnie has told me. But couldn't you still prevail for the truth as best as you could in one of these games?

[truthsnomiracle]

That in itself would be difficult, as it is disturbingly rare for most moderators to have considered, and most players to care about, the pursuit of justice within the context of the setting. Punishment, when it is accounted for at all, commonly involves no more than a token week-long jail sentence or a non-permanent execution, as though most moderators have never conceived of any form of punishment aside from incarceration or execution and must write those off in order to enable continued participation in the game.

In some games punishment for offenses is immediately dispensed by the so-called "jamjar gods" instead. While these often entail a variety of curses such as temporary loss of powers or crucial memories, this approach also precludes any relevant involvement by those who wish to prove the truth behind a matter.

[cykedfists]

Oh yeah... I guess I see your point...

Isn't there a way to form some sort of punishment? I suppose that would be moot with the moderators in charge, though....

[SIGGHHH.]

[truthsnomiracle]

I have attempted such a thing within the context of a game, but neither the moderators nor the players particularly seemed to care -- and when apathy is rampant on the opposite side of the fourth wall, any efforts made by ourselves will be futile. The fruits of my labors were nothing more than to inspire a handful of cheerleaders on our own side of it.

[cykedfists]

That's a shame... I think that it would be a good idea to have some sort of justice in a game. Depending one where you're sent.... it could be a crucial thing and just what is needed there....

[Athena is all for the truth, as well as her clients' innocence. A lawyer must trust in their client until the end, right? Or at least that's the ideal thought.]

[truthsnomiracle]

In a few games, a system of justice simply wouldn't fit the premise, but in others -- particularly those set in supposedly civilized regions -- I entirely agree that it ought to be given proper consideration. As things stand, however, I can see no other approach than to ensure that such matters are taken into consideration in the formative stages of games yet to be launched.

[cykedfists]

In the civilized regions, I'd think it's more than likely that one could start some sort of force to combat what the game has to bring. After all... While you're in one of these games, or at least from what my mun has told me, there's people who are always trying to find a way out. Taking that into consideration, don't you think revolting could possibly lead to establishing some sort of law in a place like that? A defense force or a police force of some sort.

[truthsnomiracle]

That presumes the existence of administrative middlemen who could be overthrown without enabling escape, as well as their superiors failing to retaliate in that situation. I've never known that to be the case.

[cykedfists]

[Why does she feel like she's working on a case right now...?]

Some sort of law thrown in place by those who are stuck there would certainly beg the question of if it's a step towards escape. Of course if we're brought to a place like this, then it's clear that those who took us there are unlikely to allow their "prey" to get away. There has to be some sort of answer to it though.

[truthsnomiracle]

[Because it's Edgeworth.]

I know of one game with a well-meaning captor, though unfortunately it has both a premise that limits potential applicants and the aforementioned immediate punishments imposed by the will of the captor himself. This does, however, raise the question of what other sorts of arrangements might allow captives to establish law without fear of retaliation.

[cykedfists]

[Of course it is....]

I would think there are things that are going on in secret from the captors' prying eyes. Of course, that's not to say that it isn't likely that there isn't people spotting for the captor as well. When people are in trouble, it becomes common where those captives will come together to fight off whatever trouble come their way. How far they get just depends on the setting and their resolve, though.

[truthsnomiracle]

Some moderators account for the necessity of such blind spots in the captors' view of their prison, while others do not. Furthermore, there are no small number of apathetic or cowed captive populations in these games, particularly the less overtly hostile ones. Indeed, it was proposed more than once that what separated me from everyone else in my last game was courage -- yet in isolation, courage means very little.

[cykedfists]

So essentially, everyone else was too afraid to do anything about it and just gave up.

Well as somebody who values the truth, I could hardly look away at the wrong doings of these games. I can't simply give up and allow such things to continue. Not while I still have a chance.

[Although, even then she probably wouldn't give up. Something she'd learned from Phoenix no doubt. Of course, she's had to have help reminding herself of her resolve when all her walls fell down on her. She can't rely on Apollo or Phoenix for help all the time.]

[truthsnomiracle]

The question, in the end, is what game will grant such a chance. In order for those such as ourselves to be doing anything more than attempting to batter down a brick wall with eggs, there would need to be a willingness on the opposite side of the fourth wall to accommodate proactive efforts.

Your Edgeworth is lovely BTW

[cykedfists]

Of course, you can't expect to win a war against the captors if you dive in head on. An investigation would be in order. Not to mention, you'd want to document your findings. After all, evidence is everything. It would take time come up with a good amount of research to really know how to go about it.

Thanks! And you're giving me all the more reason to like Athena. :)

[truthsnomiracle]

(Is my point concerning the need to account for not just the situation within the setting, but the cooperativeness of the so-called "mundanes" lost on her?)

Investigation itself requires cooperative moderators to work. I've experienced the remarkable contrast involved when they do and when they do not within the context of a single game thanks to changes in moderation within that very game.

Aw thank you~ I just hope I'm doing her justice ;-;

[cykedfists]

Cooperative moderators.....

[Sorry, she's going to laugh at that a little bit.]

Since when has getting moderators who are not cooperative ever stopped us from finding the truth? Half the time -- at least outside of game -- we get very little prep time and difficult witnesses. Not to mention the fact that detectives are unwilling to be of any assistance.

As long as I have my will power and in this case, my mundane's as well, I know I can eventually come the the right conclusion through sweat, blood, and tears.

[Okay... So it's possible she may have picked a few things up from her mentor.....]

[truthsnomiracle]

So you believe, then, that yours can succeed where mine not only did not, but inspired the hatred of a persistent few for the attempt?

[spiritofjustice]

[Mun why are you doing this to him again? Do you have some sort of sick obsession with forcing him to talk to those few people he'd much rather avoid? It's starting to seem that way.

Fine. Let's do this thing.]

You certainly have a lot of trust in a person who controls your life based on whims. Ha ha, well, maybe it's your support that will stop your mun from doing something that could backfire spectacularly!

[cykedfists]

I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying.... We've had so many tight spots that we managed to succeed in the end. I'm certain I'll be okay.

I'm certain that you did just fine on your own too, though.